AHL, where you have $60 cash to spend at auction, but it moves to $90 and you can call up farmies/grab FAs as you wish.
Im trying to figure out why we like the FCHL way?
(damn Subban scored, your up!)
I don't know which is better.
I like that the FCHL is constant. Like cap is always cap and that's all there is to it. Cap (sorry, cash) in the AHL has different functions at different times of the year - it's weird, and more complicated than it needs to be. But that said, you almost don't even have to think about it once the season starts - though I bet some teams go over, or have come close to going over and never even knowing it.
I think both work fine. As with most things, the FCHL's seems more refined, while the AHL seems like a collection of rules instituted haphazardly over time - not something you'd design initially. But they both work.
i dont think i like the FCHL way. I feel like there should be some kind of post auction increase so you have room for FA+Farmies.
i get you could just keep that space reserved at the auction, but really, goes against the point of competing in an auction.
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Rich, 1-30-2020: "Arp is showing the kind of grit that most Millennials lack. His team stinks but he's still scrapping it out. It's inspiring."
Arp does this Derek Ryan have a future? Give me the low down.
I like his chances to take on a starring role for Tractor Chelyabinsk next year.
I took him in the AHL hoping one of those 5min power play games turns into 2pts on game night, and then I can trade him/dump him like Nortel stock at $110.
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Rich, 1-30-2020: "Arp is showing the kind of grit that most Millennials lack. His team stinks but he's still scrapping it out. It's inspiring."
i dont think i like the FCHL way. I feel like there should be some kind of post auction increase so you have room for FA+Farmies. i get you could just keep that space reserved at the auction, but really, goes against the point of competing in an auction.
I don't follow how using your some of your cap for farmies is anti-auction.
it SHOULD be more efficient to use the money at the auction, than on most farm players. I would think.
maybe not $20 Seguin vs $2 Schiefele, but I wouldnt have "reserved" or used $2 on Dumba, $2 on Ceci... id rather keep that for auction and see if I can put some $ together for a Yandle/Markov.
then if one of the auction guys dont do well, then I dump them and callup a farmie.
I dont know if im making any sense, I think its more a personal preference thing since pretty much every pool im in does it that way. ie, $60 foor auction, $90 max cap throughout the year.
and if your talking about confusing, confusing to me is the FCHL "have to include cap space" with every trade part. not a fan. again, may be just me.
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Rich, 1-30-2020: "Arp is showing the kind of grit that most Millennials lack. His team stinks but he's still scrapping it out. It's inspiring."
Arp does this Derek Ryan have a future? Give me the low down.
I like his chances to take on a starring role for Tractor Chelyabinsk next year.
I took him in the AHL hoping one of those 5min power play games turns into 2pts on game night, and then I can trade him/dump him like Nortel stock at $110.
it SHOULD be more efficient to use the money at the auction, than on most farm players. I would think.
maybe not $20 Seguin vs $2 Schiefele, but I wouldnt have "reserved" or used $2 on Dumba, $2 on Ceci... id rather keep that for auction and see if I can put some $ together for a Yandle/Markov. then if one of the auction guys dont do well, then I dump them and callup a farmie.
I dont know if im making any sense, I think its more a personal preference thing since pretty much every pool im in does it that way. ie, $60 foor auction, $90 max cap throughout the year.
and if your talking about confusing, confusing to me is the FCHL "have to include cap space" with every trade part. not a fan. again, may be just me.
but you don't have to spend $2 on dumba if you'd rather spend that money at the auction. I don't really follow how its bad. I dunno If it's anything more than personal preference. I've done exactly what you described up there like each of the last few seasons. Spend $2 on Hagelin, $4.25 on Sharp... if they bust, call up Ehlers, Strome... I already did it with my mediocre d-men Beaulieu and Murphy.
Ill take your point about including cap being confusing, that's fair.
I guess by the way I'm arguing that I must like the FCHL format better lol. But I don't really know. This was my first keeper league so I'm probably biased in that it was the first way I knew.
I guess the simplest way to put it is, if I go to auction with $60, and spend it well/dont have any busts, I wish I could then call up a $1 Klefbom/$2 Namestnikov without having to drop someone who is a good player, contributing. Ive been lazy about it, but I need money to call up Klefbom. In AHL, if I decide I dont want to keep players on the farm, I just call them up, usually tons of space cap wise. In FCHL, while we're encouraging farm callups with things like max years and tiers, we're discouraging it in season with not being able to use "excess cap" (i dont know what else to call it, since again, FCHL only league where the funds in the auction is all the teams get as cap too)
-- Edited by MLP on Monday 21st of November 2016 10:42:39 PM
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Rich, 1-30-2020: "Arp is showing the kind of grit that most Millennials lack. His team stinks but he's still scrapping it out. It's inspiring."
Seems to me you just have to make decisions. If cap weren't an issue, maybe you still have issues with having a roster slot available? What's the difference? If you have too many good players at a specific position, trade one and figure out a way to get some in-season cap, or plan ahead better and reserve the cap and a roster space.
Answer this for me, then. Why should cap cease to have value in the middle of the season? Why should you be allowed to add players above the cap, whether it's a call up or otherwise.
I just don't see the theory as to *why* that's an inherently better system.
I was thinking about this earlier, and I asked you the question because there is 1 part of the FCHL version that I like, BUT BUT BUT, its our most hated reason. "its most like the NHL way" lol
you have a 60mill cap, thats your cap all year. hence, NHL way.
thing is, in other fantasy leagues, the cap is different than the funds you use at the auction. you have funds to construct the best team at the auction, then you have a cap you cannot surpass, but that cap allows for lots of moves to be made during the year to massage your team. And while the FCHL way allows trading of cap so trades are still possible, this way does hold you back from free agents+farmies, because while I have roster space, I dont have $$$.
my roster space is due to the fact that my money is already spent, and because the players I do have to drop are only $.25/$.50 and our farmies start at .50 and FAs start at $1.
Im just saying, the FCHL way does seem to limit us, does it not? Cause I certainly find it constricting, much more so than the AHL way. Why limit what a GM can do?
I guess this is the part where I think its better. Easier to make moves, less limitations but still a hard cap to avoid issues with teams overloading.
-- Edited by MLP on Monday 21st of November 2016 10:49:35 PM
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Rich, 1-30-2020: "Arp is showing the kind of grit that most Millennials lack. His team stinks but he's still scrapping it out. It's inspiring."
I guess so. I don't know why it shouldn't be constricting though. Why shouldn't you have to think strategically about the players you acquire or the maneuvers you might want to make in the future?
I guess so. I don't know why it shouldn't be constricting though. Why shouldn't you have to think strategically about the players you acquire or the maneuvers you might want to make in the future?
well, would you want the pool to have less trades, less free agency? no right, it wouldnt be as much fun. Every league has to decide how much to limit, and how much to just let GMs do as they wish. we've drawn the line where we have, but im just saying, I wonder if maybe we wouldnt be better off with the line drawn a little looser.
i dont know, maybe im the only one who has noticed/cared about this, and thought of it as an issue.
-- Edited by MLP on Monday 21st of November 2016 10:56:51 PM
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Rich, 1-30-2020: "Arp is showing the kind of grit that most Millennials lack. His team stinks but he's still scrapping it out. It's inspiring."
I don't know. Seems there's been a bunch of trades in this league lately... looking at your team, I think you just painted yourself into a corner where you have ****e flexibility with no one worth dropping over $1. It's not an impossible problem to solve, but it'll cost you to acquire cap. I don't know why it shouldn't.
Sheesh...meaningless goal against my goalies in the final minute of the game to break a Preds shutout cost me my game against Duane. In other news, Marcus Foligno literally only scores when I don't play him.
My take on the cap discussion. Setting aside what it would mean for my team, I would have no problem with the rule change. Just push it out a few years, so we don't pick winners in recent trades. I don't think we have a problem currently but not everyone wants a budgeting puzzle.
I'm confused as to why this is an issue? Are the rules not allowing managers to be flexible at the moment? I know that I certainly never have any issues finding a trading partner if I need cap and by the same token, I think there is an element of skill in cap planning and cap management. I don't really get why you'd have two seperate cap figures (I don't know for how better to position this) for auction and in season.
I disagree with the assertion that it should be more effective to use money at auction than on farm players. Cap space, Players, Farm Hands and Picks are all assets and I think the efficiency of the GM is on how best to use these assets to build a winner, not for one asset to be effectively weighted over another. It would create an unnecessary imbalance over what we already have, which works (seemingly to me at least) well.
Despite large farms, we have still seen a large number of FA pick ups, some waiver pick ups, trades and cap swaps already this season. I think by weighting cap space more heavily towards auction (which I think is what is being suggested), you are more likely to kill off in-season movement than increase it.
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