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rich · Overselling players since 1993

Canadian Election: 2019

Zach6668 · Guru

I am. Hoping for a liberal/ndp coalition.

rich · Overselling players since 1993

Yeah the most realistic outcome that I want is some sort of Liberal coalition. I didn't vote for them this time but I still prefer them to a Conservative majority or coalition.

MLP · Guru

bloc gonna be kingmaker.
im scared. lol

MLP · Guru

curious, which tv channel do you guys watch for coverage?

rich · Overselling players since 1993

I am doing the CBC live YouTube feed.

rich · Overselling players since 1993

And yeah, a nationalist Quebec government and the bloc as king makers could be a bad combo.

rich · Overselling players since 1993

CBC had some other Liberal Party guy on and at some point they swapped him out for Bob Rae. Did Rae need a nap before coming on air?

Zach6668 · Guru

Cbc gem app is streaming live with chromecast!

Zach6668 · Guru

MLP wrote:
bloc gonna be kingmaker.
im scared. lol

Can you explain this to me?

rich · Overselling players since 1993

CBC has more talking heads than TSN on trade center. How many of these goofs do we need?

Zach6668 · Guru

rich wrote:
Yeah the most realistic outcome that I want is some sort of Liberal coalition. I didn't vote for them this time but I still prefer them to a Conservative majority or coalition.

Id prefer literally anything to a conservative govt (majority or minority). I voted NDP but would be fine with the Liberals even if they disappointed this term (and also aren’t all that liberal/left).

Zach6668 · Guru

rich wrote:
CBC has more talking heads than TSN on trade center. How many of these goofs do we need?

Gotta kill time until the dam opens in Ontario, quebec, Alberta etc.

MLP · Guru

Zach6668 wrote:
MLP wrote:
bloc gonna be kingmaker.
im scared. lol

Can you explain this to me?

I honestly havent followed this election close enough, but I am small % worried that the Bloc has so many seats in a minority govt that they become the tiebreaker

Background on me: I used to be pretty involved in politics in my youth. Liberal Party, met Paul Martin a few times and worked with his team as an intern. I was very into it, and did some municipal stuff too. After a couple of years........I became totally disenfranchised with the people who run for politics. Frankly, its a disgusting game being played by life long liars. Unfortunately, I feel that way about 80% of them and fear its more like 95%. I dont care if its Libs, PC , NDP or Green. there are so many politicians who do it for all the wrong reasons.........or at least thats all the ones I met.

I added all that just to say that I was very into politics before, would watch every debate and read everything and think about running some day, and follow each election to death. Then I realized I was way too idealistic for this game. Now Im just a little bitter knowing next to none of these people will do anything to truly help the country

-- Edited by MLP on Monday 21st of October 2019 09:28:31 PM

-- Edited by MLP on Monday 21st of October 2019 09:29:20 PM

Zach6668 · Guru

The only thing I know about the Bloc is they tend to lean left, which I’m for, but dunno how their Quebec influence would impact the rest of the country.

rich · Overselling players since 1993

They lean left but support Bill C21. The fact no party actually came out with a firm stance on the bill really points to the pure cynicism Arp is describing above.

rich · Overselling players since 1993

Now a senator just resigned seemingly out of nowhere.

rich · Overselling players since 1993

MLP wrote:
Zach6668 wrote:
MLP wrote:
bloc gonna be kingmaker.
im scared. lol

Can you explain this to me?
I honestly havent followed this election close enough, but I am small % worried that the Bloc has so many seats in a minority govt that they become the tiebreaker

Background on me: I used to be pretty involved in politics in my youth. Liberal Party, met Paul Martin a few times and worked with his team as an intern. I was very into it, and did some municipal stuff too. After a couple of years........I became totally disenfranchised with the people who run for politics. Frankly, its a disgusting game being played by life long liars. Unfortunately, I feel that way about 80% of them and fear its more like 95%. I dont care if its Libs, PC , NDP or Green. there are so many politicians who do it for all the wrong reasons.........or at least thats all the ones I met.

I added all that just to say that I was very into politics before, would watch every debate and read everything and think about running some day, and follow each election to death. Then I realized I was way too idealistic for this game. Now Im just a little bitter knowing next to none of these people will do anything to truly help the country

-- Edited by MLP on Monday 21st of October 2019 09:28:31 PM

-- Edited by MLP on Monday 21st of October 2019 09:29:20 PM

A friend of mine's partner is a very talented person who wanted to work in politics her entire life. When the NDP came into power for the first time in almost 20 years here she got a job as a staffer and fairly quickly gained a good reputation. She left after less than 2 years for basically the same reasons you described above.

Adam · Guru

Is Rob Ford up for office?

No? Still dead?

rich · Overselling players since 1993

Adam wrote:
Is Rob Ford up for office?

No? Still dead?

His brother is the Premier of Ontario and the Liberals have tried to tie the federal Conservatives to him to scare some votes away from voting Conservative.

MLP · Guru

i see Global news already calling minority govt.

im worried what this will do to the Cdn $ (it affects my work)

rich · Overselling players since 1993

A bit of an early call by Global, feels borderline click baity.

Zach6668 · Guru

Meanwhile CBc was talking about how the liberals could get a majority.

MLP · Guru

Bob Rae coming out and saying Rob Ford should have been used, because hes strong.....is such good TV

"Im no fan, but I know my opponents strength" Thats just gold to me.

I think he has a point, because if PC doesnt get some of the Central-Northern Ontario seats, it will be because they didnt use Ford

Zach6668 · Guru

Actually called races are only 21-7 Libs. (per the star)

Zach6668 · Guru

Cbc calls for liberals

Zach6668 · Guru

Libs up to 161 for a minute there. That’s dangerously close to a majority. wonder how tight those Cons-leading ridings are and if they could flip.

Fenxis · Guru

Zach6668 wrote:
I am. Hoping for a liberal/ndp coalition.

If is, and it's looking like it, it's rather ironic for Alberta.

They spent all that time gaslighting how Trudeau hates them (even though he bought them a pipeline) and now he's likely going to be in a coalition which supports even stronger carbon restrictions and is actually anti-pipeline.

Zach6668 · Guru

Yeah, I wonder how much they’ll have to lean left to keep the NDP onside...

rich · Overselling players since 1993

If you are the NDP which of the following do you demand to be part of a coalition?

Electoral Reform or Pharmacare.

Fenxis · Guru

rich wrote:
If you are the NDP which of the following do you demand to be part of a coalition?

Electoral Reform or Pharmacare.

iirc Liberals were talking about Pharmacare (was in a pamphlet that was dropped off by my local candidate) -- so I assume that would be a priority.

Zach6668 · Guru

Nobody is even talking about electoral reform. Don’t see NDP pushing that. Pharmacare/dental care would be a good place to start. If this govt could accomplish that, it would be pretty great.

rich · Overselling players since 1993

Yeah if Pharmacare gets through that's a huge win IMO.

Zach6668 · Guru

It’d be something to get pharmacare all the while my province is selling off the healthcare system to the highest bidders.

rich · Overselling players since 1993

I'm glad Jody Wilson won (or is winning).

jeff · Guru

What does it look like for a US citizen to live/work permanently in Canada? Easy?

Dubey · Guru

Let me tell you guys. Alberta is taking these election results real well. Not freaking out at all.

SBriand · Guru

jeff wrote:
What does it look like for a US citizen to live/work permanently in Canada? Easy?

No. We looked into moving to Canada in 2017. Not easy. we did the worksheet abd it pretty much damm said come visit but you’re not allowed to stay very long.

jeff · Guru

That's not good.

rich · Overselling players since 1993

If you have a job lined up in a skilled field it's doable but it can be a long process.

Jay · Turning Back the Clock

It goes both ways. You start to let us stay, and we'll look at letting you guys stay.

MLP · Guru

Dubey wrote:
Let me tell you guys. Alberta is taking these election results real well. Not freaking out at all.

lol.

I find the lack of talk about how divided this country is a little concerning. Maybe Im just not listening to the right outlets/people, but Im worried its getting worse, not better

jeff · Guru

seems like most of the world is just getting more and more shrill. I have heard speculation that it's the internet making it possible to hear only the perspective you want, 24/7. the US is surely worse.

rich · Overselling players since 1993

Yeah there is separatist talk in Alberta that isn't just complete fringe people. 2019.

rinswun · Guru

If you want to talk about a country eating itself, take a peak over here. We’re about to crash our own economy (further) because of a stupid and unnecessary referendum that occurred nearly four years ago that asked an ideological question to an uninformed populous. Now that we know more about the pitfalls of following through on the result of that result, we’re being told it must stand no matter the impact.

I’m all for democracy but it’s like being shown a picture of a burger and being asked ‘do you want this burger, yes or no?‘, saying yes only to find out the burger is actually made out of puppies and being told that it’ll cost £1000. Then being told that because we said yes that one time, we have to buy the burger no matter what and we can’t make a difference decision now we have the new info.

Stupidest thing ever.

jeff · Guru

I've been following brexit, just because of the market impact and my job. The way the issue has split parliament is something I have never seen before, and the thing is endlessly complicated. The funny thing is, there are people on the right here in the US with a super strong opinion about the UK needing out of the EU. If I were a less polite person, I would put them on the spot to explain the Irish backstop.

Zach6668 · Guru

what exactly is Alberta so pissed off about?

rinswun · Guru

jeff wrote:
I've been following brexit, just because of the market impact and my job. The way the issue has split parliament is something I have never seen before, and the thing is endlessly complicated. The funny thing is, there are people on the right here in the US with a super strong opinion about the UK needing out of the EU. If I were a less polite person, I would put them on the spot to explain the Irish backstop.

Honestly, you could asked 90% of the UK that (possibly including some of our inept politicians) and they also couldn't explain.

Dubey · Guru

Zach6668 wrote:
what exactly is Alberta so pissed off about?

A lot of people here are convinced that Trudeau hates the west and is actively sabotaging the oil industry in the name of climate action. They were convinced that the CPC was going to return Alberta to the glory days. My Facebook feed is an absolute cesspool recently, even after unfollowing every person who made a political post leading up to the election.

The hate for Trudeau is through the roof, and the hate for “liberals” is a relatively new thing, at least being spoken about

publicly for the first time that I can remember. I honestly avoid mentioning who I voted for or bringing up my political beliefs with people that I don’t know very well because the absolute outrage and condescension is very real around these parts and it has been growing to a fever pitch recently.

Fenxis · Guru

And yet www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-western-canada-trans-mountain-1.5332365

Part of the problem with Trudeau is his name ... well technically his fathers name. Because he did f over the west with the National Energy Policy.

The west also hates the fact that a lot of power is concentrated in Ontario. Like I overheard some drunk dude bitching while eating dinner out in BC: "Ontario: It starts with a Zero and ends with a Zero".

The problem is that there are a lot of Conservative voters across the country they are going full GOP; except for Handguns and God is Pipelines/no Carbon tax and budget cuts. They have an amazing % of voter share in Alberta and Saskatchewan but all they are doing is riling up their base; not much efforts to appeal to non prairie voters. They've gone full on blinders and forgotten that the glory days when oil prices were way higher and pre-fracking in the US that has completely blown out reserve estimates. But I remember in the Mulroney days the Conservatives would clean up in Maritimes. Hell I think Manitoba went for the Liberals as well.

They can bitch about Ottawa all they want but it was BC + Supreme Court that blocked them on Transmountain. How much of these precious pipelines were built under Harper? He was too busy wasting time with Keystone XL.

-- Edited by Fenxis on Wednesday 23rd of October 2019 06:07:43 PM